Hope this helps, and thanks for the comment :0). These believers from different denominations Priscilla references who rattled her theological box may have been part of Priscillas initial exposure to false Word of Faith teaching and false teachers such as the aforementioned Meyer, Caine, and Osteens. 2 Timothy 4:5 Verse Concepts Do you have any other examples? 7 Steps to Figuring it Out on Your Own, It Should Happen Rarely, But It Shouldnt Be Ignored | The Outspoken TULIP, Is Priscilla Shirer false teacher? Priscilla is Tony Evans daughter. I didnt know I was reading and studying scripture wrong. In fact, the Bible says the opposite. The False Teaching of Priscilla Shirer on the Here I Stand Theology Podcast, Is Priscilla Shirer a Sound Exegete? Good News Translation For your sake, my friends, I have applied all this to Apollos and me, using the two of us as an example, so that you may learn what the saying means, "Observe the proper rules." You just dont have enough time or energy to respond to every Tom, Dick and Mary.). In Matthew 18:15-18, It carefully lays out a process of correcting fellow Christians that have sinned. What do you consider important/non-important and vital/non-vital, and on which Scriptures do you make these distinctions? Please see the links to our EXTRA Bible Study notes at the bottom of the page. How does God regard false teachers, and how are we to deal with them in our personal lives and families, and as the church? Genesis 24:15-20, Denomination: (These are not exhaustive lists, I just havent gotten to the next installmets yet :0) Do keep in mind that there are many fantastic male teachers out there, and its perfectly fine for women/womens groups to use materials written by men. Click on link: #FerventFridays - Week 1 - Your Passion. Besides the short paragraph you provided on Lisa Harper in the list of other not-recommended teachers, do you have or know of any other good info/reviews on her? Stay the Path (book) Promo Priscilla endorses Bobbie Houstons book. I am more of an egalitarian, but Shirer rubs me the wrong way too. Youve come to the correct conclusion about Priscillas teaching, and the Holy Spirit does direct genuine believers away from false teaching (John 10:5), but I want all of my readers who happen across this comment to please make sure (as Im sure Lynette did) you ALWAYS base your beliefs on what Scripture says, not on feelings and impressions. We are committed to teaching the uncompromising truths of His Word. TEXT: I would recommend reading the book reviews and listening to the sermon reviews. 1 But you have fired a shot across the bow and Im hoping that you will have the courage to further clarify your stand against a sister. This is not a Church. If youre not familiar with the false teachers cited below, click the Popular False Teachers and Unbiblical Trends tab in the blue menu bar at the top of this page. https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/article/christ-centered-silence-for-noisy-advent-season. (Ive addressed that here in case you might be interested.). Priscilla Shirer is not as well known, which is probably why they havent gotten to her yet. Esther 4:16 fasting. Steven Furtick is the pastor of Lysa TerKeurst, and he is on Oprahs Super Soul 100 list. Our new series is designed and I believe inspired by the Holy Spirit to show how Christianity is not just about going to church on Sunday morning. #2- There are a number of resources on false teachers under the Popular False Teachers tab at the top of this page. My point to your previous reply to me is that I refer to my bible for instructions from the Holy Spirit as to my role in the body of Christ.. read more, Scripture: God doesnt limit to a select few the number of Christians who are able to grow in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus the way He limited entrance to the Promised Land. This article is kept continuously updated as needed. Could you please show me the Bible verse that says were supposed to be happy for people who achieve financial and popularity success by twisting Gods word, teaching false doctrine, and walking in disobedience to Him? And how their lives could be changed, too. It is about sin in the local congregation where you actually know the person personally and have access to him/her. As far as Priscilla, I am unsure of this. Examples: when we The New Testament knows nothing of a Christian whos satisfied just to escape hell. 2 Kings 5:1-15. You are spot on. Going Beyond the Bible by Colin Morris. They needed to be reminded of who the true Christ of Scripture was. Are they preaching from a church pulpit on a Sunday morning as a pastor would? Lastly, although you are not directly in front of Travis Arnett, Saikowoods, Taylor Dunn & Seth Dunn, all of which are men who have posted here They are Reading & commenting on your comments and blog, thus you are teaching men. The silence he describes in the paragraph titled Line 1 could easily be construed to mean mystical/contemplative (i.e. Likewise I will not listen to Beth or Priscilla despite the fact that they are both Southern Baptist {as am I} because they teach false doctrine. So, to "not go beyond what is written" means to focus on Jesus and His Word above all else. Bible Verses about 'Beyond'. Finally, I agree we should seek out credible sources when reading news reports and things like that where were called upon to simply believe what were being told, but thats not the case here. Now, brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit, so that you may learn from us the meaning of the saying, "Do not go beyond what is written." Then you will not be puffed up in being a follower of one of us over against the other. No where did she usurp authority etc. Thats a long sentence!). For example, the Bible clearly says that women are not to preach to or teach men in the church (2 Timothy 2:12). I am currently getting familiar with blogs for Christian ladies and your thorough, scholarly, biblical recommendations are absolutely invaluable. 52-week preaching calendar to help you plan your sermons, Customizable sermon manuscripts for verse-by-verse preaching, Preach with creativity and impact throughout the year, [NEW YEAR] 4-Week Series to kick off 2023, [PRODUCTIVITY] Fulfill your full potential, [FOUNDATIONS] Getting back to what matters most. Verse Concepts. :0). Even if shes twisted. such as man can bear. I thought Jesus used parables as a means of illustrating profound, divine truths. #4b- This is a promotional clip not a scriptural teaching. No, this is a promotional clip in which Priscilla not only makes several incorrect biblical assertions, she uses those incorrect assertions as the foundation of this Bible study she has written. My point to your previous reply to me is that I refer to my bible for instructions from the Holy Spirit as to my role in the body of Christ. Paul's Apostolic Authority 14 We are not overstepping our bounds, as if we had not come to you. Going Beyond Ministries with Priscilla Shirer - The Mercy of Our Great God (March 24, 2017) Priscilla preaches the Sunday sermon at Celebration Church (co-"pastored" by a woman) Priscilla Shirer: YOUR Spiritual Battle & the Armor of God (Full Teaching) | Praise on TBN (May 21, 2021) Priscilla preaching to a co-ed audience at Passion 2018 and also I feel you need to reach out to her for yourself. He was one of the founding fathers of the heretical Word of Faith/New Apostolic Reformation movement and a mentor to Ken Copeland, whos also a Word of Faith/New Apostolic Reformation heretic. Your defense of Moore and Shirer is based only on your own experiences and opinions. if there is a WOMENS Conference, and books written for women, and Bible Studies written for women, all of them are geared to women, they cant really help men being in attendance of their own perogative, - People coming out of sinful lives dont usually smell good. I attended a conference with Beth Moore, whom I know you have accused also of teaching and preaching to men, and before she began she said that she was there under the guidance of her pastor and that if men were present, they should understand that her teachings were meant for women. August 11, 2002 AM Is highly recomended, presenting four distinctive views about going "beyond the Bible", in ethics and moral issues, each one written by serious scholar. ROger Oakland of understanding the times and a few good men, are putting together a web site. Its a complete waste of time. 2And Abraham said unto his eldest servant of his house, that ruled over all that he had, Put, I pray thee, thy hand under my thigh: Ann Voskamp, Beth Moore, Jen Hatmaker, Jennie Allen, From: Choose What is Right: A Study in Discernment- Lesson 1: Introduction. Jesus taught us the way He wanted us to pray. As a womens leader at your church are you not often asked questions to clarify your personal views? Wolters begins with the shrewd observation that the four authors understand what moving beyond the Bible to theology means in at least four overlapping but distinguishable ways: (1) bringing the authority of Scripture to bear on issues that Scripture itself does not directly address (e.g., in contemporary bioethics); (2) dealing with ethically . You should learn from us not to go beyond what is written in Scripture. Matthew 6:9-13. Well, that is why the rubber band was made, to be stretched. FOCAL POINT: TO IDENTIFY THREE DANGERS BELIEVERS MUST AVOID. My co-leader read your thoughts about Priscilla and I presented your views to the members of our study. Well, man, if theres only going to be a handful of people experiencing what weve learned on the pewthen I want one of those to be me., The story of Joshua and Caleb being the only ones to enter the Promised Land has absolutely no connection whatsoever with how many Christians today will be able to achieve intimacy with God. I am asking the following question to understand your doctrinal views. I have to admit that I do not know the entire Biblical passage on this, The purpose is that none of you will be arrogant, favoring one person over another. read more, Scripture: The sweet missionary who taught us wide-eyed teenagers has since passed into Heaven. Could it be that, as Ms. Shirer, writes in the book Fervent once again Satan is working to confuse and stir up evil among believers? Id recommend starting with Rock Your Role FAQs #11, then moving on to Jill in the Pulpit. Heres just one example of Priscilla preaching to men: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fIzWbXvfps. For such persons do not serve our Lord Christ, but their own appetites, and by smooth talk and flattery they deceive the hearts of the naive. I also have a few tape recording of her Bible Studies that were done either in her Sunday School or her Tuesday Bible Study Meetings where she actually dismisses men from the room when she was at a church in Houston. A NIGHTMARE ON DESERT STREET! Michelle, God speaks to us and teaches us through the careful study and preaching of His word, not through subjective voices, feelings, and experiences in the rhythms of everyday living (what, precisely, does that phrase even mean?) but I do know that I love Jesus and Im going to heaven, so Im just fine with that. Basic is enough for brand new believers (and again, what Beth and Priscilla teach is not basic, its false doctrine). Instead, she is dangling in front of Christian women an emotionally appealing and unbiblical carrot of miraculous and unique personal experiences with God instead of teaching them to properly study their Bibles and rely on Scripture alone for their doctrine and practices. It would stand to reason that all those that have never heard of Christ have not accepted Him and therefore, as Rom 1 details, they die in their sin. I. Reblogged this on Eternally Secured and commented: or even some reformed guys or women who speak against Schirer. Love Your Life 2018 (March 20, 2019) with Victoria Osteen and Terri Savelle Foy, Know Your God | Joyce Meyer and Priscilla Shirer (In this clip, Priscilla also gushes over Henry Blackaby who mishandles Scripture and teaches a form of mysticism. When the Bible says not to do something and you do it anyway, thats a sin. With regard to books, Bible studies, even blogs like mine, I completely agree with you! You are an intelligent woman. It will help you better understand biblical discernment and the fact that Jesus, Paul, John, Jude and others were pretty negative when it came to false teachers, too! And the only way to do that is to not only study/read the Word of God in its *entirety* but believe and apply it. read more, Scripture: If you could give me some rightly handled, in context, chapter and verse Scripture to back up your opinions and beliefs, we could talk about it. GO FIGURE? I think you are judging and do not agree with you. They had started out on the right foot with the biblical gospel, but false teachings were beginning to take hold. You shall generously give to him, and your heart shall not be grieved when you give to him, because for this thing the Lord your God will bless you in all your work and in all your undertakings. Or will we apply extra effort and go beyond our duty? I would check with BereanResearch.org, FightingForTheFaith.com, and LighthouseTrails.com. It was stated, that the big name pastors are no where to be found when standing against these deceptions. Can you explain ? Do you have another links to her preaching or instructing men in the Scriptures? Iam finding that more and moreChristians have to be told this. Thank you, Daisy. I would love for you to hang out with us here at the blog and/or on social media (links at the top of this page). I think the following articles will be helpful in answering your question: You might also want to take a look at the other articles in my Rock Your Role series. Remember, Scripture, not our ideas and opinions are what we must follow and obey. Going Beyond Obedience. God has not instructed women to preach to or instruct men. I have to do more research on how these powerhouse preachers are false teachers), teaching unbiblical prayer practices (I cant find where she teaches women about contemplative prayer~ but Im still lookin! Astonished Beyond Measure Well, technically, this article would fall under the category of discernment, but yes, I guess you could say Im into apologetics as all Christians are called to be :0). And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil. The true bride will always go beyond the minimal requirements. The proper method of teaching Scripture is exegesis. And to top that all off, shes beautiful and sharp as a tack. Dear Michelle~ Thank you for taking the time to answer all my questions! MATTHEW 14:16 And i have my wife to thank actually, because she asked me to help her find some pretty theologically sound ladies, and it was in a post Michelle did that she found what she was looking for. BEYOND ENCOURAGEMENT 1. Parables were a common form of teaching in Judaism ( to lead us to self-examination) (https://www.osv.com/Magazines/TheCatholicAnswer/ByIssue/Article/TabId/809/ArtMID/13667/ArticleID/16800/Why-Did-Jesus-Use-Parables.aspx) (oops~ this is a Catholic reference~ how bout this one: read more, Scripture: Rebekah gave the servant water but also volunteered to water the 10 camels as well. Our desire is not only for all to understand His written Word but for all to experience His Power! THIS PRACTICE WAS NOT UNCOMMON IN THE EARLY CHURCH. But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to distinguish good from evil. Pray With Us Jan 12, 2023 Hi Friends! It is a sad irony that Priscilla Shirer opted to name her ministry Going Beyond, because this is exactly what she is choosing to do right now. Beth and Priscilla both disobey this biblical instruction. Im not sure if youre referring to Beths inclusion of Catholicism, or both Beths and Priscillas joining with people who subscribe to Word of Faith (prosperity gospel) false doctrine. Why didnt you just study your Bible instead? I and my attendants will fast as you do. In Matthew 18:15-18, It carefully lays out a process of correcting fellow Christians that have sinned. #4a- Unfortunately, most people do read themselves into Scripture (largely due to being taught that way by false teachers such as the aforementioned and many others), but that doesnt mean its the correct way to study Scripture. In Acts 17:11, the Bereans are praised for comparing everything Paul said to Scripture to see if it was true. Go beyond putting ourselves first. Deuteronomy 6:4 ESV / 4 helpful votes Not Helpful "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Do not eat or drink for three days, night or day. Moving Beyond the Motions Priscilla has also admitted in her book Discerning the Voice of God, p.39, that she reads herself into Scripture, an unbiblical practice sometimes called narcissistic eisegesis or narcigesis. TRUTH AND LOVE After all, Scripture teaches that Scripture is sufficient. read more, Scripture: Jeremiah 24:7. Ive read her own account explaining this. If your ladies need a doctrinally sound Bible study in the future, theyre welcome to use anything under the Bible studies tab at the top of this page. This article is more along the lines of a court case where youre on the jury and Im showing you the evidence of Priscilla Shirer breaking the law. And this faith is . I knew she was his daughter, but Im completely unfamiliar with him or his doctrine. How to Live Beyond Yourself We can experience fullness of life by acknowledging our weakness, putting our past behind us, striving toward a worthy goal, and going for broke. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Pentecostal. (I remember when I was a missionary to New Guinea back in the 80s, the missionaries were teaching us how to reach the unsaved New Guinea nationals by telling simple Bible stories, and stories of how our lives were changed by Jesus. #2 I wasnt aware that Joyce Meyer, Christine Caine and the Osteens were false teachers! The problem at the Colossian church (the reason Paul wrote this epistle to them) was that false doctrine was starting to creep in. Mark 7:31-37 However, from time to time, I get people who comment or send e-mails pretending to genuinely want help just so they can get their comments published and who then proceed to argue and twist Scripture in subsequent comments. Go beyond what's familiar. She seems somewhat self righteous. No-one is beyond reach. Or will we apply extra effort and go beyond our duty? AT THE GOING BEYOND SIMULCAST, YOU CAN EXPECT: Bible teaching from best-selling author Priscilla Shirer To gain tools to study Scripture on your own To engage in worship led by Anthony Evans A powerful group prayer experience The opportunity to make an impact by partnering with a ministry MAIN TEXT: MATTHEW 14:15 You are very kind and encouraging :0). What is certain is that Paul, in saying, "do not go beyond what is written," was not teaching sola scriptura. Thank you, Michelle! I guess I have to do some research on those folks. Ive fixed it (as well as a few others that have expired). In the first approximately 90 seconds of the video you can clearly see and hear men in the audience, and in her introductory remarks, Prisicilla indicates that she is preaching the Sunday service at this church. Now, reading your post, I see that your words against her work and I do not understand why believers behave the way they do against fellow believers. But believers are to grow to maturity in their relationship with Christ and their knowlege of His word. Maybe a good example of Priscilla using eisegesis to teach scripture? Holy cow! 2 JOHN It would definitely be interesting to hear his perspective.. (Yikes!). Lord, thank You that You are the Good Shepherd and You speak and we hear Your voice. Here is a partial list of things that the Bible does not answer definitively: 1. I attended a conference with Beth Moore, whom I know you have accused also of teaching and preaching to men. Oops! If you dont sync with their teaching, dont follow them. WHAT'S THAT SMELL?: People just spiritually delivered by God usually dont smell good. There CAN be women from different denominations there, what is so wrong with that? Warning people away from false teaching is not gossip. Fortunately, those arent your only two choices. Jonah 2:10. Based on Saikowoods earlier post, you are not even familiar with the fact that Dr. Tony Evans is her father. Scripture: 2 Kings 5:1-15 Denomination: Baptist Going Beyond What Is Expected? She has been doing so for years. Tools. Until that time, however, it saddens me to have to recommend that Christian women not follow Priscilla Shirer or any materials or activities from Going Beyond Ministries for the following reasons: Priscilla unrepentantly preaches to and instructs men in the Scriptures in violation of 1 Timothy 2:12-14(as well as other passages of Scripture that do not allow this). Pink Impact ConferencePriscilla joined with faith healing apostle of the New Apostolic Reformation, Todd White, as well as false teachers Christine Caine, Lisa Harper, and Pastor Debbie Morris. Just got home form a conference defending the faith. None. Where does Priscilla get the idea that God is supposed to be speaking in these ways? I've done this so that you can learn what it means not to go beyond what has been written and so none of you will become arrogant by supporting one of us against the other. 2 Kings 5:1-15 Grr! We shouldnt believe just whatever we see on the internet. People who are genuinely born again have a hunger and thirst for studying the truth of Gods word and growing in Christ. Far too often we just "go through the motions" in life but Jesus wants much more than this for our lives. Let's not go beyond what the Lord says through His Word. That, plus being a faithful member of a doctrinally sound church and being taught the Word every week is the best way to learn the truth of Scripture and grow in Christ. We do not build doctrine or what we believe about God on peoples subjective experiences. She did indeed build the doctrine of theres only going to be a handful of people experiencing what weve learned on the pew on her eisegetical handling of Scripture as I explained in that section. You could choose to simply pick up your Bible and study it. The Bible doesnt say anywhere that because only two people out of two million entered the Promised Land that only a handful of people will be able to experience (theres that word again) what weve learned on the pew.. #1 You have noted that Priscilla preaches to and instructs men in the Scriptures but I cant find the link. CEB Brothers and sisters, I have applied these things to myself and Apollos for your benefit. http://the-end-time.blogspot.com/2012/10/introducing-priscilla-shirer-and-jesus.html. (I dont think she was building doctrine in this promotional video, but I could be wrong.). 5:7 ). As Christians, the Bible is our authority, so its what the Bible says that matters, and thats what I point women to. Morning Service If a pastor (or husband- Beth has also said she is acting under her husbands mantle of authority) tries to give her that authority, he is putting himself in the place of God who has prohibited it and he is sinning, too. Priscilla Shirer is. Have you ever pondered how a rubber band feels when a person stretches it beyond where it has been? This is not a new idea. Elizabeth. Romans 4:18. It just says dont. Period. 15 Outstanding Quotes To Recharge Your Preaching. There is only ONE requirement for salvation, and that is accepting that Jesus Christs blood took the place of our sin, recognize our sin and confess it, believe that Jesus is Gods son. Now, I believe I have clearly answered all of your questions both here, in the article, and in the Additional Resources section, so let me add just one extra thing. If a big guy writes against a LifeWay person, he might not get anymore invitations. Go, gather together all the Jews who are in Susa, and fast for me. and before she began she said that she was there under the guidance of her pastor and that if men were present, they should understand that her teachings were meant for women. I am not sure that the Gospel Coalition is a credible source. Based on Saikowoods earlier post, you are not even familiar with the fact that Dr. Tony Evans is her father. Here is a short http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com article on Lisa: http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/?p=10843, You can also tell a lot about these leaders by what events they speak at: Therefore, it is my recommendation that women not follow, support, or receive teaching from Priscilla Shirer or Going Beyond Ministries at this time. We would be unified around the truth of Scripture. 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